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Animal cruelty - will you support it?

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Animal cruelty - will you support it?

So as some of you may know, I am a vegan.
I have made it my goal to inform people about what they are eating. So far I haven't had much luck, seems people are more worried about their appetites rather than compassion and love.
But if I could help just ONE person to see that eating meat and animal products is cruel and inhumane enough to stop eating them, I would be happy.

http://www.mercyforanimals.org/hatchery/

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You know I don't eat meat.
I read a book called Skinny *****, the chapter in there on Slaughter Houses is what stopped me from eating meat.
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I still eat meat but have really cut back on beef A LOT when I saw a show about the slaughter houses and how they kill the cows... I was mortified, I asked my husband if that's here in the U.S. How barbaric we still are....
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Oh yea it is, you have no idea what they do. It's also very unhealthy imo.
You would stop eating chicken if you knew what they did. Crazy stuff.
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i'm a raw foodie

but i first stopped eating meat as i saw a program of a slaugher house and chicken shed,
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im a vegetarian, i dont eat fish like my friend does(are they still veggie if they eat fish? i dont think so anyway) i dont know why i stopped, i never liked meat anyway i guess so it was easy for me to stop eating it, im glad i have stopped
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i just watched the vid of the poor chicks, im crying and i cant stop, the poor animals what a life, makes me wanna scream :( how many places are there like that, that treat their animals so badly before killing them? ;( how could someone just throw the chicks around?
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Ive seen videos like this, and some with even cats and dogs. Its horrible what they do to animals.
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You know I don't eat meat.
I read a book called Skinny *****, the chapter in there on Slaughter Houses is what stopped me from eating meat.
Thats what made me stop eating meat too! That is one powerful book, I would recommend it to anyone and everyone.

And Chy - yes they abuse and mistreat animals in almost every country. Europe, America, Australia, China, you name it...
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i'm a raw foodie

but i first stopped eating meat as i saw a program of a slaugher house and chicken shed,
You're a raw foodist? Really? Thats sooo cool!



It's great to see so many vegetarians here
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I try and eat rawfood but it's expensive, but I eat it when I can.

Britt I eat fish, so technically I'm a Pescatarian.

LOL, everyone I know who has read Skinny ***** has stopped eating meat.
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But at least fish are not tortured and mistreated like cows, chickens, pigs etc.

I wish more people would read that book. I tried to get my sister to read it as her and her husband used to eat a lot of meat. But she wouldn't do it. She would rather eat meat in ignorance than face facts.
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It's also very unhealthy imo.

No one has ever believed me when I tell them meat is bad for your body.
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But at least fish are not tortured and mistreated like cows, chickens, pigs etc.

I wish more people would read that book. I tried to get my sister to read it as her and her husband used to eat a lot of meat. But she wouldn't do it. She would rather eat meat in ignorance than face facts.
My parents are huge meat eaters, I know they will never change, but they really enjoy their BBQ's and cooking it etc. I really wouldn't try and change
their routine, they enjoy it too much. My step dad is a huge cooking fanatic so he always buys the best meat, and I think he is even more into that now.

It's hard to watch other people do something you so strongly believe in, my roommate is a huge meat eater, but what are ya gonna do.

I just worry about me, If people are interested I will go into it but as you know most people don't want to hear about it.

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I really like how The Skinny *****es talk about how the animals go into the slaughter machine full of fear , shock, etc. and then they compare it to you putting that in your body, it made so much sense to me.
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But at least fish are not tortured and mistreated like cows, chickens, pigs etc.

I wish more people would read that book. I tried to get my sister to read it as her and her husband used to eat a lot of meat. But she wouldn't do it. She would rather eat meat in ignorance than face facts.

Originally I was trying to go "Vegan" and I was doing pretty good, although it was hard, and then I got food poisoning from mushrooms, I was just so grosed out and disgusted, so I decided to go Vegetarian it was just too much too fast. Then I went home for Xmas, and like I said my parents are huge meat eaters, and this was the first time I had never eaten meat, so they or my step Dad had made this amazing Salmon dish, and bought these huge AMAZING CRAB LEGS for me, since I didn't eat meat, (He didn't realize I wasn't eating fish either) lol, so I wasn't about to be like Uh I don't eat fish either. It was so good, and salmon is so good for you, so I decided to eat fish.

I'm more than convinced that the reason so many people are getting cancer is partially because of the crap that is being pumped into the animals, not only meat, but I full on believe that.......
Check out Kevin Troudeou's book too if you get a chance.
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Raise you glasses for a toast
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My parents are huge meat eaters, I know they will never change, but they really enjoy their BBQ's and cooking it etc. I really wouldn't try and change
their routine, they enjoy it too much. My step dad is a huge cooking fanatic so he always buys the best meat, and I think he is even more into that now.

It's hard to watch other people do something you so strongly believe in, my roommate is a huge meat eater, but what are ya gonna do.

I just worry about me, If people are interested I will go into it but as you know most people don't want to hear about it.

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I really like how The Skinny *****es talk about how the animals go into the slaughter machine full of fear , shock, etc. and then they compare it to you putting that in your body, it made so much sense to me.
Yes I totally agree! I liked that too. On top of the abuse they recieve and the impure things they are fed, their last minutes on earth are full of fear, pain and shock. And people eat those feelings. No wonder our society is so screwed up.

Because I'm in the early stages of being a vegan I am really battling with watching other people around me eat meat. I'm a little judgemental of those who are still eating it despite the warning and information I have provided them with. But I'm slowly coming to accept other peoples choices better so hopefully one day I will be able to stop being such an activist lol.
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I'm more than convinced that the reason so many people are getting cancer is partially because of the crap that is being pumped into the animals, not only meat, but I full on believe that.......
I totally agree with you on that one too. I don't understand how people can have unhealthy diets and eat a lot of meat and then when they get cancer and other serious illness' they turn around and wonder why and how they got it? Uhhh DUHHHHH.
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Yes I totally agree! I liked that too. On top of the abuse they recieve and the impure things they are fed, their last minutes on earth are full of fear, pain and shock. And people eat those feelings. No wonder our society is so screwed up.

Because I'm in the early stages of being a vegan I am really battling with watching other people around me eat meat. I'm a little judgemental of those who are still eating it despite the warning and information I have provided them with. But I'm slowly coming to accept other peoples choices better so hopefully one day I will be able to stop being such an activist lol.
Well a friend of mine always says, and I try and follow, I tell people something once, after that I let it go because if I tell them more than that then I'm trying to control them. She's big into the whole co-dependent thing, so she says it better than I do I am sure, but it's true I have no business trying to tell people how to live their lives or what to do.
All I can to is educate people as to what I know, and leave it at that.

What I DO get really really piiiissed off about is when people try and tell me that not eating meat is bad for you, and why I should eat meat. That is when I do go off, which is frequently with my roommate.
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If you think about it, people are going to listen to you more by 'your example' rather than by you telling them more than once usually.
People don't like to be told what to do usually. But if you let them
make up their "Own" mind, and when they see you becoming happier,
healthier, they will naturally start coming to you.

That's kind of my experience anyway.
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I totally agree with you on that one too. I don't understand how people can have unhealthy diets and eat a lot of meat and then when they get cancer and other serious illness' they turn around and wonder why and how they got it? Uhhh DUHHHHH.

Not sure if you drink Aspartame or not, but here's a good article on it.
I know this stuff causes cancer. I kept telling my parents about it and how bad it was for you, they finally figured it out on their own, lol.
Dr. Julian Whitaker -
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From 'Health & Healing' March, 2000
From Betty Martini <Mission-Possible-USA@Altavista.net>
3-8-00
Artificial sweeteners are marketed with the promise of weight control, and the vast majority of people who consume them do so to either lose or avoid gaining weight. Folks, this is a fraud of gigantic proportions.
From 1960 to l976, there was virtually no change in the number of Americans who were overweight: roughly 24 percent of the population. However, from the mid l980s to the present, this number has more than doubled to 54 percent! this coincides with the massive infusion of noncaloric chemical sweeteners and sugar-free "diet" foods that are eaten by close to three-quarters of the adult population.
Although several factors contribute to these alarming statistics, I am convinced that our blind acceptance of the most popular of these artificial sweeteners, aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful), plays a significant role in our current weight problems. Far from helping us lose weight, aspartame has been proven to increase appetite, especially cravings for sweets. Imagine "diet" products that help you pack on extra pounds! And aspartame's downside doesn't end with weight gain: This sweetener is associated with multiple health problems.
ASPARTAME MAY CAUSE A VARIETY OF DISEASES
Since aspartame came on the market in l981, it has accounted for more than 75 percent of the complaints reported in the FDA's Adverse Reaction Monitoring system. the most common adverse reactions attributed to aspartame are headaches, dizziness, attention difficulties, memory loss, slurred speech and vision problems. this cluster of symptoms has become so common that it is actually referred to as "aspartame disease".
Even more serious disorders have a suspected link with aspartame. Is it an accident that the incidence of brain tumors has increased by 10% since l975? John W. Olney, MD, of the Washington University Medical School in St. Louis believes there may be a link between the two. In an article published in The Journal of Neuropathology and Experimental Neurology, he notes that animal studies reveal high levels of brain tumors in aspartame-fed rats. According to Dr. Olney, recent findings show that aspartame has mutagenic (cancer-causing) potential, and the sharp rise in malignant brain tumors coincides with the increased use of aspartame.
Could serious seizures and vision loss somehow be associated with the sweetener? The U.S. Navy and Air Force published articles in Navy Physiology and Flying Safety with this warning: "several researchers have found aspartame can increase the frequency of seizures, or lower the stimulation necessary to induce them. this means a pilot who drinks diet sodas is more susceptible to flicker vertigo, or to flicker-induced epileptic activity. It also means that all pilots are potential victims of sudden memory loss, dizziness during instrument flight, and gradual loss of vision."
What about multiple sclerosis, chronic fatigue, rheumatoid arthritis, depression and other mood disorders? I have reviewed scores of documented cases of patients with symptoms so severe that they were mistakenly diagnosed with one of these conditions, only to have all signs of disease completely vanish after getting off aspartame.
THE FDA IGNORES SAFETY CONCERNS
Yet the FDA has chosen to turn a deaf ear to repeated requests by scientists, physicians, and consumers to review aspartame's safety.
Aspartame has spelled trouble from the get-go. The unique property of this chemical, which is 200 times sweeter than sugar, was accidently discovered in l965 by a chemist trying to develop an ulcer drug. Although the FDA rescinded its initial approval because of studies showing that it caused seizures and brain tumors in lab animals, the agency eventually capitulated to political and monetary pressure and in l981 gave aspartame the stamp of approval. In doing so, this bureaucracy overrode the 3-0 decision of a Public Board of Inquiry, which had reviewed the scientific data and had recommended delaying approval pending further studies on the sweetener's link with brain cancer.
In the intervening years, safety concerns have mushroomed. Ralph G. Walton, MD, Professor of Psychiatry at Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, reviewed all the studies on aspartame and found 166 with relevance for human safety. Every one of the 74 studies funded by the aspartame industry gave it a clean bill of health, while 92 percent of those independently funded revealed safety problems.
ASPARTAME CAN UPSET BRAIN CHEMISTRY
Once you understand a bit about the chemistry of aspartame, you'll see why it can cause so many problems.
Aspartame is comprised of two amino acids, aspartic acid and phenylalanine. Aspartic acid acts as an "excitatory" neurotransmitter, or chemical messenger, in the brain, stimulating neurons to fire. Problems can arise when aspartic acid is out of balance with "inhibitory" amino acids that calm things down. Phenylalanine also easily enters the brain, where it is transformed into neurotransmitters that can further interfere with normal brain function.
This is a likely reason why aspartame lowers the threshold for seizures, mood disorders, and other nervous system problems. this altered brain chemistry may also be responsible for the addictive nature of aspartame. Some patients report that getting off diet soda takes more willpower than giving up cigarettes!
A LITTLE MOONSHINE FOR YOU?
The remaining component, which makes up 10 percent of aspartame, may be the most dangerous part. It is a methyl ester that breaks down after ingestion into methanol, a nervous system toxin also known as free methyl alcohol or wood alcohol. Methanol is extremely harmful to the optic nerve. A main ingredient in "moonshine" it was notorious during Prohibition for causing blindness. Methanol is rapidly released into the bloodstream, where it is further metabolized into other harmful components, including formaldehyde ( a known neurotoxin and carcinogen) and formic acid (the poison in ant stings).
Is it any wonder that many of the symptoms of "aspartame disease" are neurological and visual? Drinking a diet soda or two (and I've had patients who drink at least a liter a day) delivers a powerful chemical rush with decidedly negative effects. With this kind of questionable history, who would want to consume this artificial chemical, particularly when there are natural and healthy sweeteners available?
RECOMMENDATIONS
Please take the warnings in this article very seriously. although some people are much more sensitive to aspartame's adverse effects than others, damage is likely cumulative. Aspartame is particularly harmful to children and the developing fetus. I strongly urge anyone with an aspartame "habit" to get off this harmful sweetener. For more information on the downside of aspartame, visit www.dorway.com or send a self-addressed envelope with six stamps to Betty Martini, Mission Possible International, 9270 river Club Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097.
Don't trade one bad habit for another by switching to sugar-laden drinks and sweets. Avoid most bottled or canned sodas, teas and juices altogether. If they don't contain an artificial sweetener, they're loaded with some kind of sugar. Your beverage of choice should be water. (Try perking it up with a slice of lemon.) Sparkling water, diluted fruit juice, and homemade iced tea flavored with the herbal sweetener stevia are other options. A few drops of stevia also nicely sweeten hot tea, coffee, cereal, yogurt, and other foods. Stevia is sold in health food stores or may be ordered from Amai Health (877/989-9954) or Wisdom of the Ancients (800/899-9908). We'll talk more about healthy sweeteners in next month's issue.
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Aspartame - Rumsfeld's
Bioweapon Legacy

Dr. Betty Martini, Founder
Mission Possible Intl
8-20-5
Before reading this article everyone should hear James Turner, Atty, explain how Don Rumsfeld called in his markers to get aspartame, a deadly chemical poison approved when the FDA said no: http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages.Rumsfeld2.html The entire film can be gotten at http://www.docworkers.com
Among the many ironies of our modern world is that Gerald Ford awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom-America,s highest civilian honor-to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on January 19, 1977. Just a few weeks later on March 8, Rumsfeld became the CEO of G.D. Searle to take point on a mission to force the Food and Drug Administration to approve for human consumption a known carcinogen and neurotoxic poison.
Mission accomplished: Today some 9,000 commonly consumed products are laced with this weapon of mass misery and millions of people live with chronic illnesses linked to the artificial sweetener aspartame. It is our belief at The Idaho Observer that if some guy named Parkinson can have a disease named after him, then Donald Rumsfeld ought to have his own disease, too. Hence the term Rumsfeld disease A.
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